[Dev] Re: [Design] Chandler in a Nutshell

[Lisa Dusseault]

Hi Thomas, thanks for the input.

We do understand that people won't have the same jargon we have, 
particularly with respect to "facet", so I agree with your concerns.  
We won't have a "turn tag into facet" menu item or if so we will not 
name it that :)  I don't yet know exactly how we'll describe these 
affordances but there's a lot of possibilities.

The discussion about how a tag is a facet is for technical purposes and 
to explain the design to contributors and interested parties at this 
point.

lisa

On Sep 26, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Passin, Tom wrote:

> If it is hard to understand the difference between a Tag and a Facet, 
> then it seems likely that most users won’t ever get to that point. 
>  Either they will ignore the one, or treat it like the other, or get  
> confused and annoyed, and then go on as before.
>  
> So it’s hard or me to see how these concepts are going to work in a 
> practical UI.  If I were to guess, I’d say that most people will find 
> the term “Tag” more familiar to begin with.  Also, it can be read as a 
> verb, as in “I will tag this item”, whereas you can’t say “I will 
> facet this item”.  Thus, “Tag” will associate with action - perhaps as 
> an invitation to perform an action -  whereas “Facet will not”.  That 
> would make “Tag” a much more active term in its effect on many users.
>  
> Well, that’s speculation, but the likely confusion between the terms 
> is more than mere speculation - I’m sure we have all seen this kind of 
> confusion between similar concepts before.  As long as users can think 
> of a Tag as a kind of keyword, fine, in fact, they will probably 
> recognize and accept that latter term without trouble.  It’s bringing 
> in “Facet” that seems likely to cause trouble, it seems to me.  Mimi’s 
> explanation of a Tag as just another Facet will be important to convey 
> - without any need for explanation! - in a UI.
>  
> Thomas Passin
> Principal Systems Engineer
> Mitretek Systems
>  
>
> From: design-bounces at osafoundation.org 
> [mailto:design-bounces at osafoundation.org] On Behalf Of Mimi Yin
>
> Hi Davor,
>  
> I just saw your question about facets on the ChandlerInFifteenMinutes 
> wiki page. The relationship between Tags and Facets is subtle and hard 
> to explain and even harder to understand, so I'm glad you brought it 
> up.
>  
> In a way, you can think of Tags as an example of a Facet: The Tag 
> Facet. So when you look at an individual item, you see a list of 
> Attributes like this:
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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