[Design] Chandler in space
hank777 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 15 18:50:41 PDT 2006
If I may ask, where is the greatest source of the performance issue?
Is python compiled, or interpreted, or compiled to a VM? Are there
algorithmic issues such as perhaps data retrieval in the repository?
On 6/15/06, Katie Capps Parlante <capps at osafoundation.org> wrote:
> hank williams wrote:
> > I'm sorry. I am not angry at all and I hope not to be rude. Just
> > strident. If I have crossed than line I apologize profusely. I have
> > no stake in this - I've never lost any data or anything, and as I have
> > said several times I really would love to see this succeed. I have
> > spent a fair amount of my life thinking about PIMs and this is an
> > enormous effort in trying to make a leap.
> No worries, I appreciate your desire to see the project succeed.
> > That said, it was amazing to me to read in the archives someone
> > defending performance. Sometimes when you are in the trenches you end
> > up doing group think, and it is useful to have some outside.. er
> > "perspective". Sometimes hearing the truth from someone who can speak
> > truth without consequences is helpul - though it may not always
> > initially appear to be so.
> Yup, some comments on the list may have indicated that we're not taking
> performance seriously. In reality we think of it as one of our top risks.
> > I may be more thick skinned than most but it is always helpful to me
> > to hear peoples totally unvarnished thoughts. But my intent is not to
> > offend. If I had just said "oh it seems a little slow" it probably
> > would not have gotten the point across.
> It is important to us to keep the lists civil (often not the standard
> for net culture), so just some friendly push back on the tone.
> >> > Recently, I purchased a new Intel MacBook, and so i thought it was
> >> > time to try again.
> >> If you're trying the 0.6 release, the 0.7alpha2 release, or any prior
> >> build you are not running a native Intel Mac app. To get the native
> >> build, you can wait for 0.7alpha3 or build from source.
> > Thats good news. Though I still suspect there is a problem, because
> > other power pc apps feel ok.
> Certainly there are a number of problems, some fixed in the next release
> and some remaining. It will continue to be a focus.
> >> We understand that Chandler performance on those releases is a big
> >> problem, and have been working on improving it. In addition to having a
> >> native build for Intel Mac, 0.7alpha3 should have many performance
> >> improvments. We'll still have work to do on performance, but it should
> >> be less painful for those of us who are using it day to day (Mitch and
> >> several other folks on the team are currently dogfooding Chandler).
> >> > I am concerned that years after this
> >> > effort began that you "cant get there from here".
> >> Fortunately, I am more confident than you :) which is good because I'm
> >> responsible for making it happen (along with the rest of the core team
> >> working on Chandler). We appreciate the patience of everyone who has
> >> followed us through this sometimes epic journey.
> > Thats great. I do wish you luck. I know the team is full of smart
> > people and my only real window into the process has been observing the
> > bits.
> Thanks for the well wishes. I'm looking forward to having more usable
> bits for you and others to play with.
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