[Design] Re: New Linux desktop features: implications for

Selva silver3 at gosympatico.ca
Wed Dec 10 01:37:02 PST 2003

Hi Miljenko,

I'm returning this discussion back to the main list for broader input.  It looks like your suggestion is being implemented by the new Sun desktop.  Apparantly, you can hang application windows on the side of the monitor and just flip through them.  Check out the preview cited in my last post on this thread.


> From: "Miljenko Williams" <mil at pobox.com>
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:42:06 +0100
> To: "Selva" <silver3 at gosympatico.ca>, 
> 	"David Neeley" <dbneeley at oddpost.com>
> CC: <mitch at osafoundation.org>
> Subject: Re: New Linux desktop features: implications for
> Just a thought.  The 2D (Windows type) desktop *is* fine as it goes, in the
> sense that you can leave things around as you might with a real desktop.
> Why not add to such 2D desktops the idea of piles of paper through which you
> could flip, when for example the mouse hovered over them?  This would allow
> you to bring the info to the cursor in the way I wanted to without
> complicating matters *too* much, and allow those of us who like to work with
> piles of paper/books to continue to do so?
> Miljenko
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Selva" <silver3 at gosympatico.ca>
> To: "David Neeley" <dbneeley at oddpost.com>; "Miljenko Williams"
> <mil at pobox.com>
> Cc: <mitch at osafoundation.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: New Linux desktop features: implications for
> > Good morning David,
> >
> > I also don't have much time on weekdays so some quick comments in line.
> > >
> > > From: David Neeley <dbneeley at oddpost.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:15:07 -0800 (PST)
> > > To: Selva <silver3 at gosympatico.ca>,  Miljenko Williams <mil at pobox.com>
> > > CC: design at osafoundation.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Design] Re: New Linux desktop features: implications for
> > >
> > > While I originally had some conceptual difficulties with a "3-sided
> triangular rotating windowing system" composed of rectangular screens...but
> I digress...
> >
> > Since Sun is just beginning their 3-D Linux desktop initiative, I guess we
> should just take a wait and see attitude for now.  BTW, Sun recently
> followed up their 500k Chinese govt. desktop win with other desktop
> contracts in govts of Israel and UK according to some reports I saw over the
> weekend.  I would not be at all surprised to see Sun top 10 million desktop
> clients by 04 end and 100 mill in three years or so.  I think we are about
> to see more changes on the corporate desktop over the next three years than
> we haver over the last thirty years.  JMHO.
> >
> > >
> > > As I said previously, making the interface tabs have colored or
> patterned borders that change if there is content in the screens the tabs
> represent would be a step in the right direction.
> > >
> >
> > I would agree with that also.  However, it becomes more important for
> power users who would add a lot of custom tabs on their own.  However, for
> basic interface users like the Palm Desktop target market, this would be an
> added bonus also.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > There is probably a case to be made for simply expanding the virtual
> screen and using the physical one as a porthole therein. With a mental image
> of the larger representation (and probably a compressed view that fits all
> in one screen for navigational purposes), why get into the three-D metaphor
> at all?
> > >
> >
> > Apparantly Sun's engineers feel they could use BOTH, a larger desktop that
> exceeds monitor size AND a 3-D desktop.  I guess we should just take a wait
> and see attitude here also. :)
> >
> > > Consider: Let us suppose you have set up a simple two-dimensional
> desktop--but it is extensible in any direction you choose. With a simple
> hotkey, you can represent it entirely in one screen--and drag borders of
> individual areas larger or smaller as you wish to devote more space to a
> given project. That way, *you* determine what information is most
> significant to you...and you can rearrange it as your life and your
> priorities change.
> > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Whether OO Writer should be the default editor, I don't know. Since it
> really *isn't* a separate application at the moment, I think perhaps loading
> so much code would need to be initiated with Chandler--and it would need to
> stay loaded simply as a performance thing. If they were to actually separate
> Writer and the other "applications" I'd feel much better about it.
> > >
> >
> > It's unfortunate that Writer is not a separate application at the moment.
> However, if Chandler users want to be able to do more than just save web
> clippings in read only formats then I would think that you should start off
> with a word processor engine to build a Web Clipping repository and add HTML
> viewing features to it.  Regarding stripping of HTML code from web pages,
> this is a great feature too if it could be added on as an option eventually.
> However, one of the reasons for keeping HTML code is to be able to email the
> page to users who do not have OpenOffice on their desktop and the recipient
> can still view it easily in their browser.  If you strip the HTML code you
> gain the advantage in being able to edit it easier in an app like Writer and
> this would be a big advantage but it would also be a nice feature to be able
> to save a version of the page with the HTML code intact.
> >
> > Perhaps OSAF should encourage or even take a direct initiative in
> separating Writer from OOo at some point down the road.
> >
> > Regarding the text clippings (as opposed to HTML web clippings) features,
> I suggested previously to place a hyperlink icon for the source URL in the
> left margin next to the text clipping in Writer.  It may also be useful here
> if when the user hovers over the icon with the pointer, then the portion of
> the text in the document that has been pasted from the URL the icon
> represents could be highlighted with a colored background.  This way, if a
> user pastes a number of web clippings in the same Writer document and also
> adds his own comments in between, you can still tell which clippings came
> from which URL by hovering over the URL icons in the left margin.
> >
> > Since I have abandoned discussion of 3-D models for Chandler for now,
> perhaps a good 2-D interface to jump between various apps might be by way of
> a floating pallette with buttons to launch the various apps including
> Addressbook, Datebook, Email, Browser, and Writer.  A brief note taking
> application could also be added similar to Palm Desktop's Notes app.
> However, I would suggest to link this with Writer so that at any point after
> a note becomes too long, the user could select File->Save as Writer document
> and the note would be automatically opened up in Writer.
> >
> > Hmmmmm. This turned out to be a rather long "short note".  Back to work
> now for me!
> >

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