[chandler-users] Re: chandler-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 15
Carl Lemp
clemp2002 at yahoo.com
Sun Mar 16 12:38:02 PDT 2008
I think Andrew Smart's comments reflect what a large number of users, including myself, are looking for in a PIM or GTD type application. An electronic assistant files items, manages group and personal calendars, and remembers everything. Chandler is part way there but to become indispensible, it needs to be smarter. Like Andy, I don't want to have to look at each item and then manually assign it to all the correct collections. It just takes too much time. However, if simple content based rules could be set up similar to what Agenda had so many years ago, it would be much more useful for people trying to use it to manage many items in many collections. Even something as simple as the following would be a big help: Allow the user to enter synonyms for a collection name and then have items automatically assigned to the collection if any of the words in the item match either the collection name or it's synonyms. Are there any plans to add
automatic assignment to Chandler in the near future?
Regards,
Carl
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1. mouse-free hotkeys in Chandler Desktop (Alan F)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan F <alanf333 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [chandler-users] mouse-free hotkeys in Chandler Desktop
To: Chandler Users List <chandler-users at osafoundation.org>
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I'd love it if there were a keyboard hotkey
alternative to every action that currently must be
performed with the mouse. For instance, to change the
status from "Now" to "Done" or "Later", I don't see
any current alternative to clicking on the "Now" field
with the mouse.
Note also that even right-clicking on an item in a
collection doesn't offer the chance to change the
status. There are options for "New", "Cut", "Copy",
etc., but not "Change Status".
I suspect that keyboard hotkeys are also better for
people with disabilities.
Has anyone else asked for mouse-free functionality in
Chandler Desktop?
Thanks,
Alan
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:30:54 -0400
From: bak <bak at picklefactory.org>
Subject: Re: [chandler-users] The story of a new user
To: allanday at fastmail.fm, Chandler users
<chandler-users at osafoundation.org>
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Just a few thoughts from another Chandler newbie.
Allan Day wrote:
> [...]
> *Now*
> When is now?! Are we ever 'in the now'? To me, 'now' says 'right this
> moment'. But when is this actually the case? Things in my life are a bit
> fuzzier than that. Philosophically speaking, the accessibility of 'now'
> is an open question - are we able to access the 'now' as a subject of
> conscious thought? I'd prefer something that meant something a little
> fuzzier - 'round about now', 'any minute now', 'happening', 'soon',
> 'today', 'in-progress'.
>
> On a more practical level, the whole work flow thing isn't happening for
> me. All the items in my collections are currently set to 'Later'. Again,
> this may be a consequence of my not using Chandler's calendering
> functionality.
>
> The imperative behind 'now' seems to be that I should have multiple
> items happening 'now', but that isn't the way me or my work operates.
I sort of had this same reaction, but the fact of the matter is that
it's up to you to decide! My workflow thing so far has been to have
everything set to 'LATER', and then bring in a group of things that
could happen today, soon, to 'NOW', and then process them to 'DONE'.
Basically -- do what makes sense! The rules are not embedded in the
tool like they are with some other GTD-ish apps like ThinkingRock or
iGTD or whatever.
As for 'NOW' vs. 'Any minute now' -- screen real estate is expensive! I
believe the idea is to just recognize the ambiguity here and use 'NOW'
for the sake of brevity. :) Map it to some other concept as you see fit.
> *Publishing*
> Currently, I'm using the Hub purely as a means to synchronise my
> collections over multiple machines (the web front end will come in the
> future, I'm sure). To share a collection with the Hub, I 'Publish' it,
> but it is unclear to me whether such published collections are publicly
> accessible or not. The word 'Publish' would suggest that they are, but I
> don't really want them to be.
They are not. You have to give someone a that URL with the long, funky
UUID in it, and also generate a ticket that lives on the hub and allows
people to see it. It is analogous to the way you share calendars in
Google Calendar.
But I hear you. My solution is to run my own Chandler server -- then
again, I spent some time in the UNIX admin salt mines, so it was not
much of a time investment to me.
>
> *The dashboard*
> Why not 'All'? I think someone else said it on this list - a dashboard
> is something with a steering wheel on it. I don't see what additional
> meaning the word 'dashboard' carries which could be useful in this
> situation.
Actually, dashboard != 'All'. It only equals 'All' if you want it to.
This is kind of nifty -- what I've done is group stuff in collections by
context, in a GTD-ish type of way. So I have a @work and @home
collection, for example. At home I right-click '@work' and select the
'Don't show in dashboard' option, and vice versa at work -- that way, I
don't have distracting clutter in my list of action items for stuff from
the wrong context in 'Dashboard'.
--bak
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:46:27 -0400
From: Andrew Smart <andrew.smart at nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: [chandler-users] The story of a new user
To: Chandler users <chandler-users at osafoundation.org>
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Hi,
I am also brand new to Chandler and I am trying it for apparently the same reasons as Allan Day. I am a researcher at a lab and I was hunting around for something that could magically organize my calendar as well as our small group's calendar, and sync each individual in the group to the group calendar. I also share Allan's experience with setting up Chandler to do what I would like it to do.
I am at the level where I can't get Chandler to read my email. My email server is a big university email service so I am not sure about security, but I would love for Chandler to be able to read my email, so that I could really "use my inbox as my task manager". Every person in our small group also has the same university email server. Any tips about this?
As it is now, I do use my inbox as my calendar, task manager, phone number repository, list holder etc - basically all information I need for my job is in my inbox because I don't have the time to manually transfer the information in my inbox to a calendar. This would require me thinking about each email, categorizing it and placing it in the right place to be acted upon later. As I am sure everyone in this situation knows, this could easily take hours EVERY DAY. So if I need to remember a meeting, or a task, or some contact information, where do I go? My inbox. Obviously this isn't the most reliable and efficient way of storing and retrieving information. I share the dream of having an automated system that just reads my email for me and presents me with a calendar.
Human memory is not designed for reliable information storage. This is exactly why we need Chandler type programs. However, computers are not designed for flexibility, "fuzzy logic" (yet), determining how urgent a task is based on the current circumstances, when to ignore irrelevant information (or even the means of determining what is irrelevant), or when to change some piece of information from irrelevant to relevant depending on my current goal.
But I do think Chandler is a great start toward having an assistant with perfect memory.
Best,
Andy
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From: bak <bak at picklefactory.org>
Date: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:31 am
Subject: Re: [chandler-users] The story of a new user
To: allanday at fastmail.fm, Chandler users <chandler-users at osafoundation.org>
> Just a few thoughts from another Chandler newbie.
>
> Allan Day wrote:
> > [...]
> > *Now*
> > When is now?! Are we ever 'in the now'? To me, 'now' says 'right this
> > moment'. But when is this actually the case? Things in my life are
> a bit
> > fuzzier than that. Philosophically speaking, the accessibility of 'now'
> > is an open question - are we able to access the 'now' as a subject
> of
> > conscious thought? I'd prefer something that meant something a little
> > fuzzier - 'round about now', 'any minute now', 'happening', 'soon',
> > 'today', 'in-progress'.
> >
> > On a more practical level, the whole work flow thing isn't
> happening for
> > me. All the items in my collections are currently set to 'Later'. Again,
> > this may be a consequence of my not using Chandler's calendering
> > functionality.
> >
> > The imperative behind 'now' seems to be that I should have multiple
> > items happening 'now', but that isn't the way me or my work operates.
> I sort of had this same reaction, but the fact of the matter is that
>
> it's up to you to decide! My workflow thing so far has been to have
>
> everything set to 'LATER', and then bring in a group of things that
> could happen today, soon, to 'NOW', and then process them to 'DONE'.
>
> Basically -- do what makes sense! The rules are not embedded in the
>
> tool like they are with some other GTD-ish apps like ThinkingRock or
>
> iGTD or whatever.
>
> As for 'NOW' vs. 'Any minute now' -- screen real estate is expensive!
> I
> believe the idea is to just recognize the ambiguity here and use
> 'NOW'
> for the sake of brevity. :) Map it to some other concept as you see
> fit.
> > *Publishing*
> > Currently, I'm using the Hub purely as a means to synchronise my
> > collections over multiple machines (the web front end will come in
> the
> > future, I'm sure). To share a collection with the Hub, I 'Publish'
> it,
> > but it is unclear to me whether such published collections are publicly
> > accessible or not. The word 'Publish' would suggest that they are,
> but I
> > don't really want them to be.
> They are not. You have to give someone a that URL with the long,
> funky
> UUID in it, and also generate a ticket that lives on the hub and
> allows
> people to see it. It is analogous to the way you share calendars in
>
> Google Calendar.
>
> But I hear you. My solution is to run my own Chandler server -- then
>
> again, I spent some time in the UNIX admin salt mines, so it was not
>
> much of a time investment to me.
> >
> > *The dashboard*
> > Why not 'All'? I think someone else said it on this list - a dashboard
> > is something with a steering wheel on it. I don't see what additional
> > meaning the word 'dashboard' carries which could be useful in this
> > situation.
> Actually, dashboard != 'All'. It only equals 'All' if you want it to.
>
> This is kind of nifty -- what I've done is group stuff in collections
> by
> context, in a GTD-ish type of way. So I have a @work and @home
> collection, for example. At home I right-click '@work' and select
> the
> 'Don't show in dashboard' option, and vice versa at work -- that way,
> I
> don't have distracting clutter in my list of action items for stuff
> from
> the wrong context in 'Dashboard'.
>
> --bak
>
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