genelkullanim at plecxus.com
Sat Aug 9 09:47:15 PDT 2008
"We can still hang on to your info if we change names or business
The main reason why I would use Chandler over others(for example google
calender) is because Chandler is created by a non profit
organization(hoping that they would be more straight forward as well) .
Now item 14 states that one day this structure may turn into business or
some another entity which is their right to do so. But that is not what
I am signing up here. It is not like I would be against their right to
make profit for their wonderful efforts. I would also support them with
monthly or yearly donations once it is something I use. But item 14 is
vague and its implications could be outrages in the future. I
personally think that if such structure change occurs they should let
users to decide to stay with them or not. Now I understand that this
policy change may decrease the capital value of the possible merger.
But this is a thin line and it needs careful thinking rather than
Thanks for the link I will check it out asap.
> I guess they could say "your privacy is really, REALLY important" --
> would that be convincing?
> I read it a couple times and it actually seems pretty reasonable to
> me. Maybe if you want them to change it you should make a specific
> suggestion about what you don't like or where the loopholes are. I
> don't think they're "carefully creating a maze of loopholes" so that
> they can share with 3rd parties -- it seems clear that they'll request
> that you opt IN before that happens.
> On the other hand, there's this:
> > We may release collected information if required to do so by law,
> > or in the good-faith belief that such action is necessary to comply
> > with state and federal laws (such as U.S. Copyright Law) or to
> > respond to a court order, subpoena, or search warrant. It may be
> > necessary to share collected information in order to investigate,
> > prevent, or take action regarding suspected or actual illegal
> > including but not limited to, fraud, potential threats to public safety
> > or as otherwise permitted by law.
> Personally I don't see how you could *not* have language like this in
> Chandler Hub. I run my own hub service on my own computer and I don't
> give any of my data to OSAF, no matter how much I appreciate the
> wonderful software that they write. I don't use gmail, either. I
> don't put all my photos on flickr.
> It's my data and I'll keep it, I don't want anyone else looking at it
> or getting involved. If you give your data to someone else there's a
> chance that someone else, sometime, will look at it and think about
> it, irrespective of their intentions or the surrounding legalese.
> Eben Moglen gave an awesome talk on this very subject of privacy/data
> mining/personal information, if anyone's interested:
> My 2c,
> genelkullanim wrote:
>> I am neither a lawyer nor an expert. But I have found your privacy
>> policy very vague. This would be the most important aspect of such
>> service. To be honest there are many services web sites offer some
>> form of similar accounts and services. Why shall I choose Chandler
>> especially when it sounds like you one day vaguely delibaretly eager
>> to give user information to some unknown future company or companies.
>> I understand that many other company and foundation policies might be
>> similar but to me that is just an hit and run answer. Personal
>> privacy is very important and I personally would only choose when the
>> service provider seems to be eager to protect it. Not that I have
>> anything to hide but I would like to see companies and foundations
>> are keeping higher standards when it comes to user rights and privacy.
>> what you really collect. Why would you call yourself OS foundation
>> while you carefully create a maze of privacy loopholes to eye on
>> personal data like many other for profit corporations to share with
>> Sorry if I sound like bitter and raged but I am not trying to attack
>> Osaf or their good will. But this part of the service sounds
>> overlooked to me. I personally would expect a non profit organization
>> policy states that privacy is very imporant on the otherhand when I
>> read it I do not feel convinced about it. Maybe it is just my reading
>> but I would like to hear what others take on this particular matter.
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