[chandler-users] Some thoughts from new user

Sun Apr 13 05:01:10 PDT 2008

At this time, he doesn't have an effective solution (in my opinion).  He
uses a combination of Outlook, paper and our office support staff to try and
keep him straight.  Some things sometimes do fall through the cracks, but it
is apparently less of a problem for him than the inconvenience of Chandler
in its' current state.

(As I said, this is not my opinion, but my colleague's.  No flames as if it
were, please - I happen to quite like Chandler.)

Remi.

-----Original Message-----
From: chandler-users-bounces at osafoundation.org
[mailto:chandler-users-bounces at osafoundation.org] On Behalf Of killerwhale65
Sent: April 12, 2008 7:36 AM
To: 'Chandler users'
Subject: RE: [chandler-users] Some thoughts from new user

Hello,

An interesting post you have made. Could you tell me what your colleague
uses now (if that is not too much to ask)?

Thanks
Matt

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From: chandler-users-bounces at osafoundation.org
[mailto:chandler-users-bounces at osafoundation.org] On Behalf Of Rémi
Després-Smyth
Sent: vrijdag 11 april 2008 20:26
To: 'Chandler users'
Subject: RE: [chandler-users] Some thoughts from new user

For what it's worth...  I personally use Chandler because I find it helps
keep me organized and it's worth it, but I have a
colleague - with the same needs as me - who have tried it and dropped it and
for two specific reasons:

	1. When it's sitting open for long periods, it takes up an
increasing amount of memory;
	2. Because of this, he doesn't (or can't) keep it open during the
day, and closes it. But then it takes 30 or 40 seconds to
open it up again whenever he would need to edit or update a task.

As such, he's written off Chandler as inconvenient, at best.

And it isn't always convenient or possible to sleep one's laptop or tablet.

Regards,
Remi.

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, killerwhale65 wrote:

> a big program, for me, is a workhorse, like photoshop, a video editor 
> ...
> You work on it, do specific things during a specific time in that 
> program only, then close it.
>
> A small program - small because of what it is supposed to do, maybe 
> not because of how it is built but thats for the makers - is started 
> when you start the PC, and stays on for the rest of the day. You don't 
> use it very much, you occasionaly type something, you occasionaly read 
> something, but you dont really use it to achieve things unlike a video 
> editor or imaging program. It is a program that should run in the 
> background, and thus be very light (my opinion).

Yeah, I agree with your definitions. Chandler is neither, though. It's not
the big thing that takes over all other tasks nor is it
the lightweight program that discreetly sits in the background.

> As for startup time, it always takes 41 seconds after boot. When i 
> close it, then start it again without rebooting, its only 12 seconds. 
> But since i never sleep my computer, but always shut it down, i 
> reference this time agains my other programs, and i find it takes too 
> long.

Ok, so the startup performance you're seeing is explained and you have a
solution. What about the performance while running ? In
your first message to the list you referred to really bad performance while
running as well. 
This is what made me ask you about the virus checker. Has turning off the
virus checker made any improvement to performance while
the application is running, in particular when it is committing items to the
repository ?

Andi..

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andi Vajda [mailto:vajda at osafoundation.org]
> Sent: vrijdag 11 april 2008 19:09
> To: killerwhale65
> Cc: chandler-users at osafoundation.org
> Subject: RE: [chandler-users] Some thoughts from new user
>
>
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, killerwhale65 wrote:
>
>> It seems to use about 100Mb only, the major part is for the python 
>> server, chandler itself uses only 1Mb. I am running Chandler now and 
>> total memory usage is only 537Mb (including Chandler), so that cant 
>> be it.
>>
>> I have also disabled the virus scanner, but it stays the same, so 
>> thats also not the reason. Startup time was 41 seconds, which is 
>> long. I can accept such a startup time from a big program like 
>> Photoshop. But for a small program like Chandler, this is too much.
>
> Does it take 41s to start always or just the very first time when it 
> creates a repository from scratch ? Or does it take 41s to start after 
> a reboot, always ?
>
> The definition of what makes a program 'big' or 'small' sure is up for 
> debate but I would venture to say that the consensus here would be to 
> not call chandler 'small'. Maybe it should be but it isn't. Could you 
> elaborate on why photoshop is 'big' and chandler is 'small' ?
>
> Nevertheless, a 41s startup time is not good. On my Macbook Pro 2.2 
> Ghz Intel Core 2 duo, 4gb RAM, it takes 35s to start after a fresh 
> reboot and when creating a repository from scratch. The next chandler 
> start takes only 5s (repository already exists, OS is still caching 
> the executable pieces). It takes 18s to start with creating a fresh 
> repository if the executable pieces are already cached by the OS.
>
> Chandler is a pretty large program made of many shared libraries. The 
> operating system's dynamic linker is pulling in a lot of them at 
> startup time. This can take a while after a fresh reboot since none of 
> them is cached yet. I've seen Windows users always shutdown and reboot 
> their laptops instead of sleeping them. This could be a cause of the 
> regular longer startup times you might see. I always sleep my mac so a 
> typical chandler start takes closer to 5-10s for me.
>
> Andi..
>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias Thoen
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andi Vajda [mailto:vajda at osafoundation.org]
>> Sent: donderdag 10 april 2008 20:34
>> To: killerwhale65
>> Cc: chandler-users at osafoundation.org
>> Subject: RE: [chandler-users] Some thoughts from new user
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, killerwhale65 wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently only using 600Mb RAM, so plenty of empty memory left.
>>
>> It is not unheard of for Chandler to use 400 Mb of RAM or more. So, 
>> I'd say that you're at the limit if that amount doesn't include 
>> chandler already.
>>
>>> As for the virus scanner, i dont see an option to exclude 
>>> directories, at least not for the background scanning, only for the 
>>> manual scans.
>>
>> Sorry, I can't help you with the specifics there, I don't run 
>> Windows.
>>
>> If you can run the simple experiment to see if disabling the virus 
>> scanner altogether - temporarily - has an effect on the performance 
>> issues you reported, it might be worth exploring this more.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Andi..
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