[chandler-users] Cosmo Web UI

[Greg Bryant]

Hi Priscilla,

> When you mean a 'whole' week view, do you mean the number of hours  
> in the day? Or were your expectations to see the week displayed  
> differently, for example starting on Monday and ending on Sunday?

I meant, seeing the whole week, at once, without scrolling. In my  
case, that's -all- the hours in a week -- but of course, this could  
be 8am - midnight, for people who sleep. :-)

> I'm curious to know, what do you look for when you're scheduling  
> space? Do you scan for an empty space on the calendar canvas to  
> find a 'free time'? Or is it a matter of inputting a bunch of  
> events on a given day? Would a list view help you in any way for  
> scheduling?

For me, the whole-view, in a calendar, means seeing both the free- 
time, and the filled-time, together. It's a gestalt state, the  
starting point for innumerable work-flows, including those you  
mention -- which is why it's so important.

I'm sure you know, a list-view isn't good for a scheduling discussion  
-- except in the degenerate case, when someone knows exactly what  
they want, and requires a binary answer. Event lists are sometimes  
extremely important, of course. In accounting, for example. Also,  
lists are critical in announcements and publicity, since the events  
are far more important than the non-events.

> When you have a lot of events on a single day, what do you look at  
> that reminds you of the next event? Is the title of the event  
> helpful enough to give you a clue about the event? Or do you need  
> some lead in description of the event? Does the time or time zone  
> information help you on such a small display of information? By  
> describing your needs, we can help identify what information needs  
> to be displayed when the lozenges are reduced to half the size.

Great questions, but I think I answered this, mostly, in the e-mail I  
was writing, when you sent this one. :-)

I would add that, in the mini-months calendar, some color indication  
for days with events, would also help in seeing the whole.

> Just to clarify do you mean you're running Safari on LInux?

You have a sense of humor! :-) No, I believe in harmony ... I use  
Firefox to browse on Linux. I installed the Cosmo server on Linux, to  
play with the superb code.

Many thanks!
Greg
(Safari on MacBook)

On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Priscilla Chung wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> Welcome to the Chandler users list and thank you for taking the  
> time to send us your feedback!
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 2:06 AM, Greg Bryant wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> First, I want to say: the web interface is excellent. That's why I  
>> started using it.
> Thanks for the compliment! ;)
>>
>> I use it for something real -- to schedule space for a non-profit  
>> community center. But, after three days, I'm close to giving up,  
>> because I can't see my events in a scrolled week view. To do  
>> anything useful, I need to see the whole week.
> When you mean a 'whole' week view, do you mean the number of hours  
> in the day? Or were your expectations to see the week displayed  
> differently, for example starting on Monday and ending on Sunday?
>
>>
>> In iCal, I set my view preference to 24 hours, so I can see  
>> everything at once. The iCal month-view also lets me see the  
>> whole, without scrolling. While in the Cosmo UI, when someone asks  
>> for available times, I start scrolling up-and-down like mad,  
>> looking left-and-right, trying to memorize enough, as viewed  
>> through this tiny window, to discuss different possibilities on  
>> different days over several weeks. It's very hard.
> Agreed. We have this has been struggling with this issue mainly  
> because of information displayed on the lozenge, the little squares  
> on the canvas.
>
> I'm curious to know, what do you look for when you're scheduling  
> space? Do you scan for an empty space on the calendar canvas to  
> find a 'free time'? Or is it a matter of inputting a bunch of  
> events on a given day? Would a list view help you in any way for  
> scheduling?
>
> When you have a lot of events on a single day, what do you look at  
> that reminds you of the next event? Is the title of the event  
> helpful enough to give you a clue about the event? Or do you need  
> some lead in description of the event? Does the time or time zone  
> information help you on such a small display of information? By  
> describing your needs, we can help identify what information needs  
> to be displayed when the lozenges are reduced to half the size.
>
>> So, it would be nice to have a "whole view" preference in Settings  
>> > Advanced. I'd use Chandler, but I'm on a quest for the perfect  
>> calendar webapp.
> Yes agreed. We have that feature on the roadmap, (bug: https:// 
> bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5124) but it's been  
> slated to future as there are priorities which are driving the  
> product to support more then just calendar events. And to better  
> support items shared from Chandler desktop. I will note your  
> concern in the bug and when we triage bugs for review, it may be  
> placed as a higher priority based on your feedback.
>
>> I installed Cosmo 0.6 on my Linux machine, and found that setting  
>> "dj_global.HOUR_UNIT_HEIGHT=30;" in dojo.js, does most of what I  
>> need.
> Interesting. Again, we do have this filed as a bug so you know it's  
> on the road map. Thanks! ;)
> Just to clarify do you mean you're running Safari on LInux?
>
>>
>> Many thanks!
>> Greg
>> (using Safari)
> Many thanks to you for your feedback!
> Cheers, -Priscilla
>

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